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Livia

Junior Rat Expert
The only thing that can solve this for them is education. I don't mean formal school education because they got this, I mean intellectual and personal education for self improvement and all levels. If any man has a little energy for being better while looking forward to improve his life, he should educate himself first so he will avoid sneaky and sketchy retarded ways to achieve his goal for a better life. So he will learn that he can improve his life ethically by working hard for it. And he should teach this to his children as well so they will adopt the same mindset and be resilient to the society bad influence and bad concepts.
uh-huh..sorry but i dont agree with u cause even if such people got an education, their level of greed & avarice will conquer all...how's education going to stop a foreign lady from being scammed by rats? education is important but i think not enough here for rats to change their behaviour...the tunisian rat my friend recently met online said he got a good education, ok so what? but he still online fishing foreign women & looking for a ticket out!
 

Layla

Well-Known Member
i don't think discrimination is directed towards any religion or even christians... i think its more towards people from lower classes, the poor, homeless, orphans, underpriviledged, & uneducated...being rich or upper class in general is everything in egypt and u get 'special treatment' everywhere u go no matter what race, religion, nationality u come from...especially if ur a westerner. i used to study there so i know what i'm saying..i've had cashiers at Macdo skip locals & attend me...:confused: don't really know if thats a good thing?

they discriminate against their fellow citizen the moment they see 'foreigner' or 'wealthy local'...plus i was surprised/happy to see christians were more educated & part of wealthier upper classes society. they are also more priviledged cuz they prefer western education & universities than local ones..
Agree with your comments Livia regarding special treatment and I too have had these experiences in Egypt and in other MENA countries. It's funny how these perceptions regarding "foreigners" can influence people. Take me for example, I come from a solid working class background, ancestors were coal miners way back when but my husband is an Elitist. Had I been Egyptian, there is no way I would have been considred by him/his family to marry as would be considered too low class...however because I am a westerner these class differences were overlooked so I was deemed acceptable for marriage by his family.
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We have a daughter who has blonde hair, blue eyes and very fair skin and she is fawned over and gets special treatment when we are in Egypt, once coming back from Hurghada to Cairo on a plane we had strangers asking to take photos of her. Bizarre! Our youngest daughter looks 100% Egyptian so gets zero attention from the Egyptians when we go as she looks like the rest of the population!
 

Livia

Junior Rat Expert
Agree with your comments Livia regarding special treatment and I too have had these experiences in Egypt and in other MENA countries. It's funny how these perceptions regarding "foreigners" can influence people. Take me for example, I come from a solid working class background, ancestors were coal miners way back when but my husband is an Elitist. Had I been Egyptian, there is no way I would have been considred by him/his family to marry as would be considered too low class...however because I am a westerner these class differences were overlooked so I was deemed acceptable for marriage by his family.
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We have a daughter who has blonde hair, blue eyes and very fair skin and she is fawned over and gets special treatment when we are in Egypt, once coming back from Hurghada to Cairo on a plane we had strangers asking to take photos of her. Bizarre! Our youngest daughter looks 100% Egyptian so gets zero attention from the Egyptians when we go as she looks like the rest of the population!
omg! i know exactly what ur talking about lol!! ..did u know u also get tons of looks in Turkey, especially from the men...turkish men love to oogle european/western women. even turkish ladies who dyed their hair blonde get loads of attention & special treatment. even though they deny being the typical 3rd world country mentality...but let me tell u something i seen. one time in Istanbul i saw a non-blonde lady didn't have enough money for the commuter tram and the security officer standing at the queue bullied her!!..he spoke to her so aggressively, yelling, etc and let her leave ..but a min later comes a younger 'blonde' turkish woman all giggles & playing innocent telling the same officer she don't have enough and guess what the bastard did??? he let her pass!!!! :eek: :sick: :sick: then he was all oogling & flirting overboard with her! i quickly lose respect for such people.

do they have a caste system for marriages in egypt ? cause u say ur husband is elitist but couldn't marry anyone..
 

Layla

Well-Known Member
omg! i know exactly what ur talking about lol!! ..did u know u also get tons of looks in Turkey, especially from the men...turkish men love to oogle european/western women. even turkish ladies who dyed their hair blonde get loads of attention & special treatment. even though they deny being the typical 3rd world country mentality...but let me tell u something i seen. one time in Istanbul i saw a non-blonde lady didn't have enough money for the commuter tram and the security officer standing at the queue bullied her!!..he spoke to her so aggressively, yelling, etc and let her leave ..but a min later comes a younger 'blonde' turkish woman all giggles & playing innocent telling the same officer she don't have enough and guess what the bastard did??? he let her pass!!!! :eek: :sick: :sick: then he was all oogling & flirting overboard with her! i quickly lose respect for such people.

do they have a caste system for marriages in egypt ? cause u say ur husband is elitist but couldn't marry anyone..
They have a very restrictive social class system which will impact what job you can do never mind who you marry. The Yacoubian Building by Alaa Al Aswany is a very famous Egyptian book and tells the story of Taha who is the son of a bowab (doorman) who has dreams of being a police officer which can never be realised because of his low social status. A really great book if you like to read.
 

Tinker-lulu

Major Ratslayer
Hi everyone,

I came across this forum by chance and I wanted to share my thoughts about this topic of foreigners being deceived by Tunisian males, sometimes by females as well!

First of all I'm a Tunisian guy, I'm from the heart of the Tunisian culture and I know exactly how Tunisians function and operate.

The thing in Tunisia is that values are circumstantial. What does this mean is that Tunisians don't hold values for long and all the time! If they have a goal (and basically their end destination is always money) they will let down their values and do whatever it takes to achieve that goal without caring about other people, and what their behaviors could bring to other humans!

And in case Tunisians hold values and they stick to them, they think these values don't apply to foreigners! A Tunisian street vendor might not rip off another fellow Tunisian, but he will rip off a foreigner whether he is British, German or even another Arab national!
The ironic thing is that Tunisians brag about this and see it as an achievement! And I can tell you it's a common culture across the whole society! Even those who don't deceive foreigners won't feel sorry for them, and won't show their resentment with whoever does such bad behavior! Probably they will laugh about it!

Now in regards of this marriage issue between Tunisians and foreigners, I want to warn everybody whether they are men or women, young or old to never fall for a Tunisian (again males and females) because the only thing they have in mind is to use you! Either to grant them a visa to go abroad or to rip you off! And no matter how he or she shows you intimacy, love, compassion, you name it, don't fall for them! It's just a play and all they are looking for is their own benefit, so you better be careful!

I see that this forum is mainly talking about Tunisian males but I can tell you females are doing this too! I know many stories of girls deceiving foreigners, suck their money and dump them at the end! Even celebrities fell for their poisonous tricks! I remember a couple of years ago a foreign football player married a Tunisian girl who stole all his money with her family and they kicked him out from his own house! He became homeless and slept on benches in public parks!!!

This idea of marrying a foreigner for self benefits is wide spread, it's a CULTURE! I know many people who are trying this all the time! And they talk about it openly with their friends and families, and the latter are OK with it and actually encourage them to do it!

So please, if you get to know someone from Tunisia don't be fooled by the good treatment from his/her family and friends, they are just playing a role in their dirty play!! They are all seeing you as a bank account that they need to empty in their own pockets!

While I'm writing this I'm feeling so sorry for what I'm typing but this is the reality! I love my country, but unfortunately we have plenty of lowlife people and in general people lack values! They are complete selfish and don't care about other humans especially foreigners! Of course we have good people, but the majority are bad eggs!

My final advice, don't fall for a Tunisian whether it's for marriage, business or whatever, especially if you got to know him/her in sketchy and/or abnormal circumstances! (online, he is an animator in a Tunisian hotel, he is not clear about his job, he is not educated, he is pretty poor, he has prior, his friends and family don't look trustworthy, etc...) Unless he/she is clean as we a whistle don't think about it twice to reject him.

I know a couple of people who are married to foreigners and they are happy and built great families. These are usually highly educated Tunisians with already good financial situation and are not in need of anybody to grant them visas to go abroad. They are married really for love. But these type of Tunisians are scarce.

So please in case it happened that you might be attracted to Tunisians (I don't know maybe some people are) or want to marry a Tunisian for any reason (a good one of course), or you want to start a business with a Tunisian, look for someone from this category, means he/she is highly educated, already has money, and can travel abroad without your help. Other than this just avoid it.
Who am I?
As I said I came across this forum by chance! And about me, I'm a young Tunisian entrepreneur and founder of a startup with around 90% of our business flow coming from the US and UK.
I hold an engineering degree in agronomy, and because of my business I deal a lot with foreigners and especially Americans and Brits. And also I read a lot, in English (for those wondering about my English).

Why I posted this?
As I mentioned I'm from Tunisia and I know well how Tunisians think and behave, and because I read a lot about psychology and self development I tried to give some sort of an analyze of what's happening and also give an advice to everyone to be wary!

I understand the anger of all those who were victims of Tunisians, and I'm really showing my sympathy and I even represent my apology for a thing done by my notorious fellow citizens. But, I think we should be respectful to whoever express his thoughts in a decent way.

I'm not here to look for some relationship (as you have called others rats)! I'm not bragging, but I'm not in need of anyone from anywhere in the world to grant me a visa or money or anything! I got all these, and I got them by busting my ass and working hard! I did it by my own effort and went from bottom to top by myself!
I have no issue with anybody or any nationality on this planet. Because of my business I have friends from around the world. I have an idea about different cultures, and I have respect for everyone. I love learning and I love improving myself and become a better person everyday.

Why I'm giving you advice?
I'm not the expert, or the good Samaritan who will save everybody but personally I see what is done by those young Tunisian guys as something very terrible and shameful, and I hate seeing people gotten used, so I'm trying to warn you and advise as a reporter from the battle field. No matter what you hear and no matter what you think, I'm from that country and I know better how those people think and what they are looking for.

I'm gonna be vulnerable here but it's OK, I like being clear and straight forward! I guess because of the huge contact with foreigners, again mostly Americans and Brits, I got very close to them, I feel their love for me, and the tight bind built between us, I have some sort of empathy and love that I felt it's my duty to "protect" them from a harm I've seen happening since being a kid. I can't create legislation, I can't punish the evil, but the least I could do is giving you some advice and warning you.

Again, I understand the anger, I'm showing my sympathy, and I'll appreciate having respect as a ruler in this discussion.

Thank you!
Excellent , are you a mix European and Tunisian.? If so you already know both cultures however thank you for your advice which is appreciated by many, shukran
 

JGG

Major Ratslayer
Hi everyone,

I came across this forum by chance and I wanted to share my thoughts about this topic of foreigners being deceived by Tunisian males, sometimes by females as well!

First of all I'm a Tunisian guy, I'm from the heart of the Tunisian culture and I know exactly how Tunisians function and operate.

The thing in Tunisia is that values are circumstantial. What does this mean is that Tunisians don't hold values for long and all the time! If they have a goal (and basically their end destination is always money) they will let down their values and do whatever it takes to achieve that goal without caring about other people, and what their behaviors could bring to other humans!

And in case Tunisians hold values and they stick to them, they think these values don't apply to foreigners! A Tunisian street vendor might not rip off another fellow Tunisian, but he will rip off a foreigner whether he is British, German or even another Arab national!
The ironic thing is that Tunisians brag about this and see it as an achievement! And I can tell you it's a common culture across the whole society! Even those who don't deceive foreigners won't feel sorry for them, and won't show their resentment with whoever does such bad behavior! Probably they will laugh about it!

Now in regards of this marriage issue between Tunisians and foreigners, I want to warn everybody whether they are men or women, young or old to never fall for a Tunisian (again males and females) because the only thing they have in mind is to use you! Either to grant them a visa to go abroad or to rip you off! And no matter how he or she shows you intimacy, love, compassion, you name it, don't fall for them! It's just a play and all they are looking for is their own benefit, so you better be careful!

I see that this forum is mainly talking about Tunisian males but I can tell you females are doing this too! I know many stories of girls deceiving foreigners, suck their money and dump them at the end! Even celebrities fell for their poisonous tricks! I remember a couple of years ago a foreign football player married a Tunisian girl who stole all his money with her family and they kicked him out from his own house! He became homeless and slept on benches in public parks!!!

This idea of marrying a foreigner for self benefits is wide spread, it's a CULTURE! I know many people who are trying this all the time! And they talk about it openly with their friends and families, and the latter are OK with it and actually encourage them to do it!

So please, if you get to know someone from Tunisia don't be fooled by the good treatment from his/her family and friends, they are just playing a role in their dirty play!! They are all seeing you as a bank account that they need to empty in their own pockets!

While I'm writing this I'm feeling so sorry for what I'm typing but this is the reality! I love my country, but unfortunately we have plenty of lowlife people and in general people lack values! They are complete selfish and don't care about other humans especially foreigners! Of course we have good people, but the majority are bad eggs!

My final advice, don't fall for a Tunisian whether it's for marriage, business or whatever, especially if you got to know him/her in sketchy and/or abnormal circumstances! (online, he is an animator in a Tunisian hotel, he is not clear about his job, he is not educated, he is pretty poor, he has prior, his friends and family don't look trustworthy, etc...) Unless he/she is clean as we a whistle don't think about it twice to reject him.

I know a couple of people who are married to foreigners and they are happy and built great families. These are usually highly educated Tunisians with already good financial situation and are not in need of anybody to grant them visas to go abroad. They are married really for love. But these type of Tunisians are scarce.

So please in case it happened that you might be attracted to Tunisians (I don't know maybe some people are) or want to marry a Tunisian for any reason (a good one of course), or you want to start a business with a Tunisian, look for someone from this category, means he/she is highly educated, already has money, and can travel abroad without your help. Other than this just avoid it.
Your post is greatly appreciated.
 
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