How integrated is hotel-based bezness into hotel business?

[johnnn]

I've been reading through some of the enormous amount of information and insight on this site.

Quick question: to what extent is hotel-based bezness integrated into the main business of hotels? Do the disgusting visa-hunting confident-trickster male sluts who seem so lazy and dimwitted in every area except tricking money out of foreign women pay the hotel management to ply their bezness there? I mean no hotel is going to let someone else run a business on their premises unless they get paid for it. Or do the hotel management allow it because they know that sex is one of the attractors for foreigners who stay in these holiday-camp style hotels? Either way, the hotel management can hardly be held to be innocent, but I was wondering to what extent and how directly they are involved.

 

[surf]

I've been reading through some of the enormous amount of information and insight on this site.

Quick question: to what extent is hotel-based bezness integrated into the main business of hotels? Do the disgusting visa-hunting confident-trickster male sluts who seem so lazy and dimwitted in every area except tricking money out of foreign women pay the hotel management to ply their bezness there? I mean no hotel is going to let someone else run a business on their premises unless they get paid for it. Or do the hotel management allow it because they know that sex is one of the attractors for foreigners who stay in these holiday-camp style hotels? Either way, the hotel management can hardly be held to be innocent, but I was wondering to what extent and how directly they are involved.

Management isnt bothered as the rats get their girlfriends to return to the hotel multiple times a year . considering they never have just one girlfriend at a time it really is profitable for the hotel .

 

[johnnn]

Management isnt bothered as the rats get their girlfriends to return to the hotel multiple times a year . considering they never have just one girlfriend at a time it really is profitable for the hotel .

Ah - thanks - I'm beginning to get my head around this now. Might the rats get a percentage when they bring their victims back for further stays in the same hotel? After all, it sounds that given the hold they have over their victims, they'd have it in their power to get them to stay in other hotels if they wanted to. Or are they satisfied with the gifts, the chance of visas, the chance of other scams against the western women, and eventual ILR, and the arrangement with hotel management is such that no money changes hands?

 

[Sun rise]

@johnnn welcome! The hotels are having big bennefiths from the LR to. Because if the LR find a victum, they mostly go back to the place were they met the LR. Maby they get even payed for it. That's something i really don't know. The network those LR have is big...and the back each other up in every game...even family is involved with the LR.

 

[Tiger]

I believe there are many aspects in this game. Hotels close their eyes for that unmarried couples living together in a hotel room. Profit for the hotel is that rats brings many foreign women to the hotel. A rat can bring gladly 2,3 or if he is a good rat even more customers to the hotel both in high and especially low season. So if not the hotel openly pays for this, they close their eyes to traffic.
But remember that it's not just male rats. Tunisian young women have also understood that here are easy money to get . Dating sites are full of them. They operated differently. They can not invite a man there. They operated on the web. Tells about the difficult life. How trapped they are. Would love to come to Europe. Want marriage and relationships. Has incredibly many sad stories just like men, need money, sick mothers and rents that can not be paid.
Men from Europe are blinded by the beautiful woman who is in such an impossible situation and act in the belief that they are in a serius relationship. He is taught to protect and help a woman in distress. That way it goes many Western Union payments also to "weeping" girls who next moment laughs with her friends as they run around shopping or being able to have one good life at the expense of others

 

[surf]

Ah - thanks - I'm beginning to get my head around this now. Might the rats get a percentage when they bring their victims back for further stays in the same hotel? After all, it sounds that given the hold they have over their victims, they'd have it in their power to get them to stay in other hotels if they wanted to. Or are they satisfied with the gifts, the chance of visas, the chance of other scams against the western women, and eventual ILR, and the arrangement with hotel management is such that no money changes hands?

Sorry John but I'm afraid I really don't know if they get payed for it or not . it wouldn't surprise me .

 

[FoolInLove]

I have no clue either, but my guess is they don´t get payed.
Normally in our society it would be a no go, for staff to get involved in the customers private life, like the hotel staff do in Tunisia. But these guys doesn´t only bring their many victims back over and over again.
They also become "best friends" with a huge number of visitors whom also return again and again.
It is sickening to see how many "best friends", "brothers" and "sisters" they have.
Good for the hotel owner, and the rats get lots of tips and free booze when they hang out with the guest´s .

 

[Deleted member 146]

I have no clue either, but my guess is they don´t get payed.

I think so too. Of course there is always the danger to get sacked if they don´t perform right

 

[crystal]

Don't forget the older married Tunisian males who promise the world to young Tunisian women that they will marry them leave their wives only to book these hotel rooms shag the girl and then lock them out the room... not the first time I found ladies like this crying their eyes out as they had travelled a long way and did not have anywhere to sleep. this is rife and yes hoteliers turn a blind eye cause the managers are doing the same as long as there is money on the table.

This sickens me.. because of the hypocrisy.. and the cheek to look at us like we are sluts.. when they in effect are taking it up the arse and also getting their hymen sewed up.. disgusting ..such high expectations... with such very poor morals..

 

[crystal]

Also.. the sex trade working within Tunisia... you can order a girl pick weight height hair colour to order ... they will appear within 15 mins.. and also the Eastern European women who are in great demand for Tunisian men.. pimps ply their trade and can get a lot of money also they are paraded to European men holiday makers.. hoteliers are very aware...

 

[crystal]

It is dfifficult to understand the corruption in Tunisia how far embeded in to their way of life.. as normal to scam and benefit fro others misery survival of the fittest.. bankers lawyers doctors policeman all in on making a buck that is why there is no European Business'ss in Tunisia, they scrap the surface and run.. why then would European women think it is a good idea to invest.. beyond me..

 

[johnnn]

Thanks to everyone for the replies. Very interesting stuff - so the rats don't only rat romantically on women, they also typically befriend many other guests, become "good friends", and encourage them to come back; and those who slack in this work could get sacked. Things are starting to fall into place here. I am so glad I have never stayed in a Tunisian tourist hotel!

I'm also told that some of these hotels get a lot of business from unmarried couples who are both Tunisians, in some cases even insisting they rent two rooms, keeping up the hypocrisy while doubling the income (never mind the sale of alcohol and the running of a casino, if the hotel has got one, both of these being haram).

 

[crystal]

Thanks to everyone for the replies. Very interesting stuff - so the rats don't only rat romantically on women, they also typically befriend many other guests, become "good friends", and encourage them to come back; and those who slack in this work could get sacked. Things are starting to fall into place here. I am so glad I have never stayed in a Tunisian tourist hotel!

I'm also told that some of these hotels get a lot of business from unmarried couples who are both Tunisians, in some cases even insisting they rent two rooms, keeping up the hypocrisy while doubling the income (never mind the sale of alcohol and the running of a casino, if the hotel has got one, both of these being haram).

OH yes forgot the saudia arabian men who have a fettish for Tunisian men... pay good money I am told... and no don;t rent two rooms just kick the woman out when fished with her.. police never checked and if they did backhanders were enough..

 

[johnnn]

Also.. the sex trade working within Tunisia... you can order a girl pick weight height hair colour to order ... they will appear within 15 mins.. and also the Eastern European women who are in great demand for Tunisian men.. pimps ply their trade and can get a lot of money also they are paraded to European men holiday makers.. hoteliers are very aware...

Ah so there is some males-wanting-females sex tourism in Tunisia? I'd kind of assumed it was mainly women (and a few gay men) looking for men, because that's what's most written about. I guess the male sex tourists - or just male tourists - rarely get hooked emotionally, and when they do they don't tell anyone? The more I hear, the more I want to stay north of the Mediterranean!

John (who much prefers going on holiday near archaeological sites in places like Scotland, and couldn't care less about hotel beaches and pools, hot sun and stuff)

 

[WifeLeftForTLR]

Hotels close their eyes to it. They pretend that fraternisation between the staff and foreign holiday makers is forbidden. When I made the complaint about Gemma and Sam, especially as they were sleeping together unmarried, they pretended to make some kind of investigation into it. Turned out they were sleeping together in a different hotel that he didn't work in anyway.

 

[Deleted member 146]

I guess the male sex tourists - or just male tourists - rarely get hooked emotionally

It´s the same with female sex tourists, Johnnn

 

[johnnn]

It´s the same with female sex tourists, Johnnn

Out of interest, how do most of the western women who get so vilely lied to and exploited by Tunisian love rats (and their families), all the way to marriage and getting robbed and beaten up in the worst cases, meet them in the first place? I was thinking that most go on holiday to resort-type hotels with a view to a possible holiday fling, but is that so? Or are you just saying that most women who do that just have the fling and that's it, without falling in love?

 

[Deleted member 146]

I was thinking that most go on holiday to resort-type hotels with a view to a possible holiday fling

Only sex tourists do that, Johnnn

 

[johnnn]

Only sex tourists do that, Johnnn

Yes I know "Someone who goes on holiday to a resort-type hotel with a view to a holiday fling" is just a euphemism for "sex tourist".

I still don't quite understand what you meant by "It´s the same with female sex tourists". Are you just saying that most don't get emotionally involved? Really basic question now, but how do most of the women who get especially badly exploited, crapped on, damaged by rats meet them in the first place?

 

[Deleted member 146]

Really basic question now, but how do most of the women who get especially badly exploited, crapped on, damaged by rats meet them in the first place?

They are no sex tourists, Johnnn

 

[johnnn]

They are no sex tourists, Johnnn

Who are they, then?

 

[cheryl]

Out of interest, how do most of the western women who get so vilely lied to and exploited by Tunisian love rats (and their families), all the way to marriage and getting robbed and beaten up in the worst cases, meet them in the first place? I was thinking that most go on holiday to resort-type hotels with a view to a possible holiday fling, but is that so? Or are you just saying that most women who do that just have the fling and that's it, without falling in love?

..maybe you would be surpreise but there is many women who met these tunisian men (love rats) online first. ... and later these men invited them to come to Tunisia for visit (to know each other better)
..and I believe still many women go to see their online men to Tunisia because online they seemed to be so nice; good. .and even with potential of good relationship; love; marriage .... probably

 

[Masha]

I will offer some more explanation here.
An average Tunisian love rat has a collection of female friends and gay friends on his facebook amounting roughly to 800 people.
He will personally know, say, 300 hundred.
The rest come from 'friends of friends' ( rat friends)
A rat sends an invitation as a friend of friend and after a short examination of her posts and photos on fb writes ( with the help of a more advanced in English hhh rat) : You are very beautiful. I like you so much. I remember you from the hotel . You were on holiday there but you did not see me.....bla bla bla starts. If victim agrees to talk he has hooked one. If she likes him the conversations will increase in number and soon a request for a phone number will come. The rest ....you can imagine

 

[Mango Chutney]

I know many start like that online, but mine didn't. He was painfully slow and subtle with me. Yet with all of the other females he spoke with, regardless of nationality, it was almost word for word what you wrote above, @Masha. I think he had evil plans for me from the word go.

 

[Masha]

I know many start like that online, but mine didn't. He was painfully slow and subtle with me. Yet with all of the other females he spoke with, regardless of nationality, it was almost word for word what you wrote above, @Masha. I think he had evil plans for me from the word go.

I understand his behaviour. The victims have different value . 1 - for sex , 2- ( just contacted online)for small gifts and small amounts of cash , 3- invited to Tunisia and frequently visisting for paying the rent for a nice apartment and basic needs , 4- young pretty girls but dependent from parents who may decide to marry them and provide a visa , 5 - older desperate, lonely women, widows, divorcees , soft-hearts who will be taken for visits to the rat's family, exploited mercilessly often spared the pleasure of sex hhh , and number 6 - the middle-aged, attractive, financially stable woman who will be the excellent target for a secure marriage and comfy life - she is the most valuable victim and will be guaranteed extra care and treatment and no money requests

 

[Mango Chutney]

I understand his behaviour. The victims have different value . 1 - for sex , 2- ( just contacted online)for small gifts and small amounts of cash , 3- invited to Tunisia and frequently visisting for paying the rent for a nice apartment and basic needs , 4- young pretty girls but dependent from parents who may decide to marry them and provide a visa , 5 - older desperate, lonely women, widows, divorcees , soft-hearts who will be taken for visits to the rat's family, exploited mercilessly often spared the pleasure of sex hhh , and number 6 - the middle-aged, attractive, financially stable woman who will be the excellent target for a secure marriage and comfy life - she is the most valuable victim and will be guaranteed extra care and treatment and no money requests

Well I am older, I did get sex....or his interpretation of it anyway I was vulnerable because I was going through a divorce, which my ex husband then refused to go through with (because of H), I definitely got the extra care and no monetary demands, although I had a very well paid job back then. He believed I had no money, that my ex husband took my redundancy pay off me and my name was removed from the mortgage, this was not true, it was my way of ensuring he was with me for the right reasons. So I guess I was a six. A valuable victim, ha I barely took a penny with me ever, I literally lived off his family.

* Or was I a six? He thought I had nothing. I also have elements of number five.

 

[Masha]

Well I am older, I did get sex....or his interpretation of it anyway I was vulnerable because I was going through a divorce, which my ex husband then refused to go through with (because of H), I definitely got the extra care and no monetary demands, although I had a very well paid job back then. He believed I had no money, that my ex husband took my redundancy pay off me and my name was removed from the mortgage, this was not true, it was my way of ensuring he was with me for the right reasons. So I guess I was a six. A valuable victim, ha

Yesss , you were.The prize victim. That is why the treatment was good in the first stage.

 

[Masha]

Yesss , you were.The prize victim. That is why the treatment was good in the first stage.

hhhh I love your posts ..hhh interpretation of sex

 

[Masha]

hhhh I love your posts ..hhh interpretation of sex

I guess my list needs to be worked on properly hh that was just a draft!

 

[Mango Chutney]

Yeah, you need to add things like the amount of thoughtful little gifts he bought me, the extra hours he would work to give me surprise day trips etc. Many examples of his treatment of me were in the thread I tagged you in last night. He spent much money on me, as did his family.....for a visa. I look forward to seeing your completed work I was definitely his first victim, although he flirted outrageously (and exchanged pics) online with other girls (two of the Russian ones were quite serious, but he asked them time and again for an invitation, so was not subtle, he claimed it was so that he and I could live together in Russia), but definitely none of them ever sent money. My rats bezness technique confuses me, so hurry with you analysis!