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MH007

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I'm honestly so confused with this. Because I asked this question in a Tunisian forum and everyone said I'd be fine to stay with him in an airbnb or apartment, that no one cares. And that Tunis is more liberal than most places in North Africa. Is this not true?
Yes you can stay illegally in an apartment but you must register with the local police - also if someone reported you then you could get yourself in trouble. Also it is not safe to stay alone in an apartment with a stranger (he is a stranger like it or not) many women have been beaten or raped and I am not exaggerating!

MH x
 

Aisha1

Major Ratslayer
I was told there is this law with hotels but anything else is pretty much fine? Then I'm told staying somewhere like Sidi Bou Said is really nice and I'll like it. And then that I'll be miserable lol. So I'm not really sure anymore. I lived in Vietnam like I've said and yes it was polluted, crowded, loud, most didn't know english, no beach, humid, lots of bugs but I loved it. Idk
I think if you want to really stay in the beautiful place Bizerte or Sidi Bou Said. Tunisia is a small country, you can plan well and see the northern most tip of Africa down to Sahara desert. But please take my advise, don’t get conned into paying for the whole trip, if you are serious about the guy let him treat you like he would treat a woman here or it’s going to go downhill.
 

Aisha1

Major Ratslayer
I was told there is this law with hotels but anything else is pretty much fine? Then I'm told staying somewhere like Sidi Bou Said is really nice and I'll like it. And then that I'll be miserable lol. So I'm not really sure anymore. I lived in Vietnam like I've said and yes it was polluted, crowded, loud, most didn't know english, no beach, humid, lots of bugs but I loved it. Idk
@MH007 is exactly correct, he actually is a stranger and not everyone is as they seem on the Internet. Rape and abuse is common here and who’s going to know if you are alone, don’t think other Tunisian neighbor will call cops, they turn their head. Really would be wise for you to stay alone. So not only is it a law at hotels, it’s a law in the country. As I’ve said we are an Islamic society, many of our laws are based on Islam, from marriage to death. It is illegal anyway you look at it to stay with a man that you are not married with in living quarters. You can be asked to present proof of marriage anytime and I’ll tell you for certain now with our economic situation with covid people are really hurting for money and bribes are a big part of Tunisia. When it’s known you are an American woman with Tunisian man they will see dollar signs, you will pay up the requested bribe for staying with him illegally or go to the police station. Embassy can not help you on Tunisian local laws.
 

Chipmunk

Well-Known Member
@MH007 is exactly correct, he actually is a stranger and not everyone is as they seem on the Internet. Rape and abuse is common here and who’s going to know if you are alone, don’t think other Tunisian neighbor will call cops, they turn their head. Really would be wise for you to stay alone. So not only is it a law at hotels, it’s a law in the country. As I’ve said we are an Islamic society, many of our laws are based on Islam, from marriage to death. It is illegal anyway you look at it to stay with a man that you are not married with in living quarters. You can be asked to present proof of marriage anytime and I’ll tell you for certain now with our economic situation with covid people are really hurting for money and bribes are a big part of Tunisia. When it’s known you are an American woman with Tunisian man they will see dollar signs, you will pay up the requested bribe for staying with him illegally or go to the police station. Embassy can not help you on Tunisian local laws.
Thank you so much for all the advice! Definitely a lot to think about. I'm curious your opinion on this.. do you think it would be better to meet in a different country? Before I think about going to that part of the world I'm spending 6 months in Mexico. He has said he'd love to come visit me while I'm in Mexico. And is currently trying to see how to get a tourist visa to Mexico. He said he'd save up money and make sure he is getting enough income so he can come here (I know to get a Mexican visa you have to prove sufficient funds by showing last 3 months of bank statements).
 

Aisha1

Major Ratslayer
From what I understand he went to school in France and went to visit extended family during holidays. He then moved to Tunisia during covid with his family. I guess when he got to Tunisia and was going to start school, he had to take an Arabic language test to enroll?
I’m really sorry to sound so negative, but I don’t believe that. There is no way a Tunisian family living in France would return to Tunisia, unless like us they came back to open business ( in that case they could afford his tuition). Why would he not just stay in France and attend school there?
 

Aisha1

Major Ratslayer
Thank you so much for all the advice! Definitely a lot to think about. I'm curious your opinion on this.. do you think it would be better to meet in a different country? Before I think about going to that part of the world I'm spending 6 months in Mexico. He has said he'd love to come visit me while I'm in Mexico. And is currently trying to see how to get a tourist visa to Mexico. He said he'd save up money and make sure he is getting enough income so he can come here (I know to get a Mexican visa you have to prove sufficient funds by showing last 3 months of bank statements).
If you want to visit a country that’s good for the both of you I would suggest Turkey. It’s close to him and he doesn’t need a visa… really I don’t know your intentions, so I don’t know what to say… I feel like you are set on staying together although you don’t know him. Regardless what country, Arab men rather they are Muslim or not have this same culture and the woman that allows things to happen without effort will not be respected, please understand this and don’t think I’m trying to ruin your dreams, but this is true.
 

Chipmunk

Well-Known Member
If you want to visit a country that’s good for the both of you I would suggest Turkey. It’s close to him and he doesn’t need a visa… really I don’t know your intentions, so I don’t know what to say… I feel like you are set on staying together although you don’t know him. Regardless what country, Arab men rather they are Muslim or not have this same culture and the woman that allows things to happen without effort will not be respected, please understand this and don’t think I’m trying to ruin your dreams, but this is true.
I feel like I just need to meet him, with the intention of just seeing what he is like. He has mentioned he doesn't want to go to a Muslim country. He wants to come to Mexico but if he can't then maybe Serbia, which he doesn't need a visa for. I can listen to what you guys are saying and you're probably right. But obviously it's incredibly hard to just stop talking to him and move on when we've talked every day for over a year. I'm just going to see how it plays out and keep my distance. Focus on myself and not plan on anything with him, etc.
 

Sabrina

Major Ratslayer
I was told there is this law with hotels but anything else is pretty much fine? Then I'm told staying somewhere like Sidi Bou Said is really nice and I'll like it. And then that I'll be miserable lol. So I'm not really sure anymore. I lived in Vietnam like I've said and yes it was polluted, crowded, loud, most didn't know english, no beach, humid, lots of bugs but I loved it. Idk
The question is, who is paying for this trip? Are you just going to see him because he wants you to? Then he should pay, or if you are going to vacation ? And wanted to see Tunisia and not him?? There is a serious problem if you are paying for all !!!!
 

Aisha1

Major Ratslayer
I feel like I just need to meet him, with the intention of just seeing what he is like. He has mentioned he doesn't want to go to a Muslim country. He wants to come to Mexico but if he can't then maybe Serbia, which he doesn't need a visa for. I can listen to what you guys are saying and you're probably right. But obviously it's incredibly hard to just stop talking to him and move on when we've talked every day for over a year. I'm just going to see how it plays out and keep my distance. Focus on myself and not plan on anything with him, etc.
I hope you don’t get wrong impression, we don’t tell you stop communicating, just how to proceed with caution. We are going off what you shared with us and telling you the norms of the people and region accordingly. Good luck, Inshallah everything works out for the best.
 

Sabrina

Major Ratslayer
I feel like I just need to meet him, with the intention of just seeing what he is like. He has mentioned he doesn't want to go to a Muslim country. He wants to come to Mexico but if he can't then maybe Serbia, which he doesn't need a visa for. I can listen to what you guys are saying and you're probably right. But obviously it's incredibly hard to just stop talking to him and move on when we've talked every day for over a year. I'm just going to see how it plays out and keep my distance. Focus on myself and not plan on anything with him, etc.
That will be hard to do, as you are already intent on going to meet him ..
 

Aisha1

Major Ratslayer
Thank you so much for all the advice! Definitely a lot to think about. I'm curious your opinion on this.. do you think it would be better to meet in a different country? Before I think about going to that part of the world I'm spending 6 months in Mexico. He has said he'd love to come visit me while I'm in Mexico. And is currently trying to see how to get a tourist visa to Mexico. He said he'd save up money and make sure he is getting enough income so he can come here (I know to get a Mexican visa you have to prove sufficient funds by showing last 3 months of bank statements).
How will he prove sufficient funds in a bank account or pay for travel so far away if he can’t pay “tuition”? Have you asked yourself this? Or you’re going to put the money in the Tunisian bank account to show funds?
 
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Chipmunk

Well-Known Member
The question is, who is paying for this trip? Are you just going to see him because he wants you to? Then he should pay, or if you are going to vacation ? And wanted to see Tunisia and not him?? There is a serious problem if you are paying for all !!!!
So, I work fully online and travel while I work. I had already planned on being in this region before him. So not necessarily a 'vacation' I just travel while I work. And no, I would never pay for anyone. In regards to him or anyone else, I only pay for myself or if it's something together we both pay half.
 

Chipmunk

Well-Known Member
How will he prove sufficient funds in a bank account or pay for travel so far away if he can’t pay “tuition”? Have you asked yourself this? Or your going to put the money in the Tunisian bank account to show funds?
Oh nonono I would never put money in his bank account. I basically told him to figure it out himself. He is a freelancer, he apparently programs sometimes which is how he helps his family pay rent. I told him you have several months to work more or find different work etc. I told him to not be lazy and to work instead of spending everyday going to the beach.
 

Butterflies

Major Ratslayer
Hi @Chipmunk reading through your messages and the answers from the other ladies here you have all the knowledge you need to figure out if he is genuine or not. Don't ever think he can not lie to your face about his intentions if he is a rat he can and will do anything to proof to you he is the real deal. Take notice of what @Aisha1 is telling you about the tunisian traditions and culture because she knows first hand how an Arab man should act towards a woman. It's very rare a relationship with a foreign woman works as these rats can keep the fake life and pretend love for years . Be careful with it all and as other ladies said how will he afford to go on a trip if he can't even afford his intuition fee?
 

Tigerpants

Major Ratslayer
I know with mine we rented an apartment in hammamet I had not read on any forums any information before but he made it clear we could not stay in a hotel together
We rented an apartment in Hammamet, he told me to report to the police but I thought it was ridiculous and said no :confused: obviously not realising it was a legal requirement.
It was in a road I disliked full of men smoking Shisha , I paid too Chipmunk even though he had supposedly taken care of the booking and payment- he left the full bill for me to pay.
 

Tigerpants

Major Ratslayer
Oh nonono I would never put money in his bank account. I basically told him to figure it out himself. He is a freelancer, he apparently programs sometimes which is how he helps his family pay rent. I told him you have several months to work more or find different work etc. I told him to not be lazy and to work instead of spending everyday going to the beach.
Well good luck with that! Rats are lazy f**kers who will do the absolute minimum who tell you exactly what they think you want to hear then carry on regardless.

Sounds odd to me with red flags galore

1. 23 years of age who can do 'programming' , what type of programming , why only sometimes ( because he is lazy , because he is lying, because it's vague) delve deeper
2. Lived in France , with whom, how , exactly wherabouts, how long, again sounds like BS
3. Lied to you about requiring money for Uni
4. He's a Rat
 

Sabrina

Major Ratslayer
Well good luck with that! Rats are lazy f**kers who will do the absolute minimum who tell you exactly what they think you want to hear then carry on regardless.

Sounds odd to me with red flags galore

1. 23 years of age who can do 'programming' , what type of programming , why only sometimes ( because he is lazy , because he is lying, because it's vague) delve deeper
2. Lived in France , with whom, how , exactly wherabouts, how long, again sounds like BS
3. Lied to you about requiring money for Uni
4. He's a Rat
TOTALLY!!! He just has a different line of bull crap
 

Sabrina

Major Ratslayer
Hi @Chipmunk reading through your messages and the answers from the other ladies here you have all the knowledge you need to figure out if he is genuine or not. Don't ever think he can not lie to your face about his intentions if he is a rat he can and will do anything to proof to you he is the real deal. Take notice of what @Aisha1 is telling you about the tunisian traditions and culture because she knows first hand how an Arab man should act towards a woman. It's very rare a relationship with a foreign woman works as these rats can keep the fake life and pretend love for years . Be careful with it all and as other ladies said how will he afford to go on a trip if he can't even afford his intuition fee?
As you said I think most of OUR Arab men didn’t want a relationship they just wanted a little fun and a lot of gifts and money from us…. This would have been great if they didn’t work so hard to make us fall for them and all their lies!! Or if this is what we went into “relationship “ with this in mind….. again we were not all (purple glitter):)
 

confuseddotcom

Major Ratslayer
Oh nonono I would never put money in his bank account. I basically told him to figure it out himself. He is a freelancer, he apparently programs sometimes which is how he helps his family pay rent. I told him you have several months to work more or find different work etc. I told him to not be lazy and to work instead of spending everyday going to the beach.
I am talking to a Tunisian guy on my fake account, he also claims to be a freelance programmer which to me means he plays video games all day. The man is online 24/7. When you think of programmers you picture someone hunched over a computer for hours, so I’m thinking how is the man finding the time to send hearts and flowers GIFs.

You say that you’d never send him money well we all said that, but these men find a way to guilt us into lowering our standards. I swore I’d NEVER give a man money but when you hear about his relative being taken to hospital you do feel obliged to help, unless you want to be seen as a cold hearted B. Just realise that at this stage, this will not be an equal relationship and that if it progresses you would be spending more than expected. Add on the fact that he’s already asked for money, and it won’t be the last time either....
 

Aisha1

Major Ratslayer
As you said I think most of OUR Arab men didn’t want a relationship they just wanted a little fun and a lot of gifts and money from us…. This would have been great if they didn’t work so hard to make us fall for them and all their lies!! Or if this is what we went into “relationship “ with this in mind….. again we were not all (purple glitter):)
@Sabrina he has mentioned to her he doesn’t want to meet up in a Muslim country, hmm wonder why….. oh yea the laws he should follow are not what he has on his mind. Nothing to do with @Chipmunk , but… I just remembered 90 day fiancé with the American girl Nicole who was hot on the Moroccan guy… she wanted to meet so badly in a non Muslim country because he was using that as his excuse not to sleep with her, he just couldn’t do it it because of the law….
 

Tigerpants

Major Ratslayer
I am talking to a Tunisian guy on my fake account, he also claims to be a freelance programmer which to me means he plays video games all day. The man is online 24/7. When you think of programmers you picture someone hunched over a computer for hours, so I’m thinking how is the man finding the time to send hearts and flowers GIFs.

You say that you’d never send him money well we all said that, but these men find a way to guilt us into lowering our standards. I swore I’d NEVER give a man money but when you hear about his relative being taken to hospital you do feel obliged to help, unless you want to be seen as a cold hearted B. Just realise that at this stage, this will not be an equal relationship and that if it progresses you would be spending more than expected. Add on the fact that he’s already asked for money, and it won’t be the last time either....
Can I pm you?
 

Aisha1

Major Ratslayer
Thanks?? If he doesn't pay for the trip.. then he isn't coming. Seems pretty straight forward. I think people are very concerned about me giving him money. I have repeatedly said I will not do that, under any circumstances. I've been talking to him over a year, never given gifts or money or anything.
You are right, we are concerned for you and we can be a little aggressive. 23 years old is young and there is still so much that you just don’t know, but think you have all the answers( yes we are in mama mode). We see things you don’t see and really don’t want to see because you are hooked by his companionship. We don’t want to see you get taken for a ride. I’m Arab, so I’ll tell you straight forward what I know to be true and most other ladies speaking to you have lived your exact story.
 

Chipmunk

Well-Known Member
I am talking to a Tunisian guy on my fake account, he also claims to be a freelance programmer which to me means he plays video games all day. The man is online 24/7. When you think of programmers you picture someone hunched over a computer for hours, so I’m thinking how is the man finding the time to send hearts and flowers GIFs.

You say that you’d never send him money well we all said that, but these men find a way to guilt us into lowering our standards. I swore I’d NEVER give a man money but when you hear about his relative being taken to hospital you do feel obliged to help, unless you want to be seen as a cold hearted B. Just realise that at this stage, this will not be an equal relationship and that if it progresses you would be spending more than expected. Add on the fact that he’s already asked for money, and it won’t be the last time either....
I suppose then I am a cold hearted b because I'd never send money even if he said his relative was in the hospital loll
 
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